“I find this article sadly mis-informed.
1. the X men was lanched during the 60’s post civil rights movement the underlined theme of the comic is equal for all despite your race. In this case twisting the race issue to a genetic issue of Mutantion . Where mutants were a repensentaion of the African American culture of the time who despite winning equality where still being descriminated against. so in effect it is a clever anti descrimnation message.”

Which I’m sure was true in the 1960’s. Why are you comfortable assuming the underlying discrimination being addressed today is still racism? I would think, as you suggest, it’s become discrimination in general that’s being addressed by the mutant stigma in the comics. I don’t have a problem with that. Unjust and foolish discrimination (bigotry, actually, if you wanna get right down to it) should be pointed out as unjust and foolish. More power to ‘em.

Still, not my point. I take umbrage at an established character suddenly being presented as gay to score points with the politically correct. It’s insulting. Just as I find Nick Fury has suddenly become black. What was the point of that, do you think? Those two example don’t strike you as just the sort of unjust and foolish form of discrimination the mutant stigma is supposed to be illustrating?

“2. Colossus is gay no punt intended but , Arnold almost play The big man in the X2 and 3 imagine a Republican govener playing a gay super hero LOL.”

What’s your point? Not even getting what’s supposed to be funny here. I’m sorry but your humor seems a little hysterical to me.

“3.In the military Infadelity is punishable by up to one year of prison I’m a former MP. The UCMJ (Universal Code Of Military Justice) is very strict. So if you want you man to stay faithful marry a army man.”

Assuming you’re not just displaying more inappropriate laughter here, you approve of this then? So would you support outlawing adultery in the civilian sector as well? It was illegal in the country not all that long ago, so it wouldn’t really be a new thing, you know.

Otherwise…what’s your point again? Was this supposed to convey something or are you just mocking?

“4.X men was also a drama comic which mean it was to mimic real life events and I dont know a person alive married who hasn’t been tempted to screw around on there Husband/Wife in the bad times of a marriage.”

I think you forget it’s a superhero comic, too. So it’s supposed to mimic the “real life” of superhero’s. Which rather brings this back around to the original point. Aren’t we expecting our hero’s to behave like adults anymore? At best you’re making the argument that these comics aren’t about superheros anymore and have become just some weird kind of soap opera now. If that’s you’re point then I’ll probably agree.

Still doesn’t address what this article is about. ‘Cause it ain’t about Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Grey. Did you actually read it before deciding to comment?

“With that said The whole love triangle between Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Makes for good reading. Also look into the Age of Apocolypse comic series where Jean was wolvie’s girl (greatest X Men comic series ever and there adapting it to Season 2 of Wolverine and the X men)”

I disagree. Seeing Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean respond to the situation they were in with some wisdom or even just plain doing the right thing would make for good, inspiring reading. And, again, I was (quite clearly) talking about the movie not the comics. Haven’t read the comics. From everything I’m hearing I don’t see any reason why in the world I’d want to.

“Don’t go preaching the Holy bible veiws because not all people belive in the way as we do. “

Um…seriously?

That’s completely stupid. I’m sorry but it is. You seriously need to rethink that. Don’t preach because others don’t believe? What the heck do you think preaching means? What’s the point of believing anything at all and keeping it to yourself? If you have a truth and you keep it to yourself…well, that’s a horrible thing to do! I’d be ashamed of myself if I did that!

“I agree with you that Homosexuality is a Sin.If you don’t belive so look what God did to Sadom and Gamora.But that is there choice and they will answer for it on there day of judgement.”

A choice they can always claim they were unaware of if no one bothers to confront them about it. We’re commanded to spread the word, dude. And that’s why. Step up to your duty.

If you agree with the great and wise supreme creator of the whole universe that homosexuality is a sin…why on earth would you have a problem with telling a homosexual that? How in the world can you not realize the horrible disservice you’re doing them by not telling them?

“With that said start reading the comics you love the love/hate relationship Gambit and Rouge have. Enjoy and as always this is my opion.”

Again, we’re talking about superheros. And again, even that was one passing example in the article. And again, by focusing on that you’re missing completely the entire point of the whole article.

Maybe go back and read the thing you’re commenting on. That might be a good idea. It’s about how adultery is presented in the entertainment media generally.

“And I also belive religion is the one great devider of are planet like OZZY says” Too many religion but only one god” so I make it a point to respect all whether there WICCAN, Buddist, ECT. and this is coming from a religious mut.(Baptist,Mormon,Roman Catholic,Lutherin,)”

Yes, it is. And that’s good. Jesus Himself said clearly that He came to divide even households against one another. Why do you assume that’s a bad thing then?

More to the point, have you ever considered how it could be good? Jesus said Himself that He came to cause division and was completely unapologetic about it. Rather indicates that He didn’t have a problem with that. So…why not? How and under what circumstances would it be a good thing to cause division?

With that said The whole love triangle between Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Makes for good reading. Also look into the Age of Apocolypse comic series where Jean was wolvie’s girl (greatest X Men comic series ever and there adapting it to Season 2 of Wolverine and the X men)

Don’t go preaching the Holy bible veiws because not all people belive in the way as we do. I agree with you that Homosexuality is a Sin.If you don’t belive so look what God did to Sadom and Gamora.But that is there choice and they will answer for it on there day of judgement.
With that said start reading the comics you love the love/hate relationship Gambit and Rouge have. Enjoy and as always this is my opion.

Ima go with 2.

Mary responds: Where did “scientific evidence” come from? I suspect you had a point but got sidetracked by your compelling need to reject the bible or Christianity as truth.
I could illustrate that by suddenly veering off and attacking your assumption that Aristotle, Hume and Kant ever really said the things attributed to them and your lack of “scientific evidence” that they did so…but that would be dumb. And it would make me look dumb.

You don’t care (in my opinion), because like all other people, there are two “you’s:” the you who observes, and the you who is observed. Whenever we speak to another person or mutter a curse under our breath when someone cuts us off in traffic and think, “that felt good,” we are communicating with our other self as well. I suspect that your conversations on religion, politics and homophobia / sexuality-phobia are more about your communication with your other self than with other people. I suspect you’re telling the self that observes that you’re being a good little lemming – er, christian – so he can congratulate the self that is observed.

Mary responds: I suspect that this is a fairly accurate illustration of how you think. And if so, then it would rather explain why you seem incapable of understanding anything you’ve read on this blog.

And I believe I DO know her belief system. I’ve gotten thousands of words in discourse on her belief system right here, directly from the maw of thine horse.

Mary responds: Well, you’re wrong. You’ve been pretty wildly wrong just about every single time you’ve commented on my beliefs. Which is really weird because, as you pointed out, you’ve thousands of words in discourse on my belief system right here.

Finally, the “recovery” comment was a quote from the very top of this page.

Mary responds: He was pointing out a biblical concept. Probably to encourage you to go examine that concept. I’m fairly confident he’s aware I refer to myself as “recovering” at the top of the page. I know that I’ve certainly used that phrase while talking to him directly so I’d be surprised if he was unaware of it.

No no, one more. . . Care to explain how you are the embodiment of immaculate purity that is Jesus Christ? Sounds like blasphemy to me but hey, what do I know, I’m just a homo-huggin’ baby-killer.

Mary responds: Again, another biblical concept. Either take the time to look into it or don’t. Probably shouldn’t make yourself look dumb by pretending you understanding. That (as here) usually doesn’t work out.

The only thing that gives anyone the God-given right to rebuke sinners is repentance of sin. I.e. removing the speck from one’s own eye, so you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. I am not a homo, and I am the very righteousness of God in Christ. And you?

Abortion is murder, and anyone who willingly takes part in one is a murderer.

Mary responds: That’s not what I believe. Where’d you get that?

Popularity determines morality in the belief system of no logical person, including the authors of the Bible – “be ye not of the world.”

Mary responds: What’s that got to do with anything?

I fathered an aborted child once. Does this give me carte blanche to assail the character of anyone else who does it, because I “know what I’m talking about?” No, it means that I did something once and lived to regret it. The fact that Mary now regrets realizing that she, like me and like the majority of human beings, is attracted to the undeniable beauty that is woman is not a credential.

Mary responds: What are you on about? Of course it does. You have personal experience with abortion. You really think that has no effect on your opinion?

And most of the divorced couples out there all had sex before getting married. In fact, I doubt any of them did not.

Also, in case you missed this, Mary used to be a lesbian. She knows what she’s talking about.

God gave Job a new wife. Does that mean nothing to you people? Do you really think remarriage is so godawful?

Mary responds: Okay, let’s take your comment about Job, at face value, as accurate. It isn’t (as Brandon points out, Job’s wife died. She wasn’t “replaced”). Even accepting it like that…it utterly fails to have anything to do with this. But here’s my response to that anyway:
God can do that. He’s…you know…God. How does that mean that everything else he said on the issue is voided?
So…you have proof that God can give a man a new wife. You have an example of that. Whoopee. Has nothing to do what we’re talking about.
But, to reiterate, God didn’t switch wives on Job. His first wife died. You can remarry after that kind of things happens. Duh.

What if (and I know this seems far fetched) mommy turned out to be an emotionally and verbally abusive person who was prone to dating the wrong guy and daddy turned out to be a journal-keeping peeping tom pedo who woke his 9 year old daughter up one night while rubbing ben gay on her bare back? I only ask because it happened to my parents. I wonder if your christian compassion is about to shower me with warm and fuzzies. . .

Mary responds: Nope. No warm fuzzies here. Sorry. If he molested (raped) his 9 year old daughter then he should be tried and executed. And, just to bring this around to the topic, the mother would naturally then be free to remarry.

The point is, with all the pressure you crazy fundamentalist put on your hormone-addled teens to “do it god’s way” and GET MARRIED NOW, don’t you think there’s something to be said for admitting you’ve made a mistake?

Mary responds: I don’t advise teens to GET MARRIED NOW! I’d advise the opposite. Rather strongly. I would advise not to fornicate, though. I think you’re confusing those two or something.
And, again, to bring this back around to the topic, there’s nothing wrong with divorce (or rather there is but it’s at least acceptable under certain circumstances). My husband is divorced. But let’s toss the question right back at you sideways. What’s wrong with encouraging others not to make that kind of mistake?

Also, leave “the gays” alone. If you wanna protect marriage, see the above paragraph and persuade your daughters and sons to try before they buy, and stop divorcing at a greater than 50 percent rate. Gay, bi and transgendered people account for a trifle of the amount of violent crime, just so ya know. Also. . .

Mary responds: I contend that our “try before you buy” mentality is precisely why the divorce rate is so high. Surely this has been explained to you. You really can’t fathom that? Or are you having trouble disagreeing with something you understand and, therefore, have to…well…not understand it…so you don’t accidentally accept it.
Sheesh, you’re giving me a headache. How can you think in such a convulted way? Must suck.

There are 2 different (disparate) (conflicting) accounts of the creation story at the beginning of Genesis.

Mary responds: No, there aren’t.

There are 4 different (disparate) (conflicting) accounts of Jesus’ life.

Mary responds: No. There aren’t.

Every time you clock in for work or purchase a good or service, you pay for a conflict which kills thousands of innocent women and children in Iraq. Our boys and girls have had to buy their own body armor, and they are going through Hell to get their VA benefits, AND their debt is not forgiven. So you may wanna think about re-prioritizing.

Mary responds: I agree. Our government is screwy and they do screwy things with our tax dollars. But I think that’s because we, as a people, are screwy. And, since the government is made up of people from among “we the people”…well, the screwy just naturally follows. So I point out the screwy stuff here amongst “we the people”.
Makes sense to me.

“Whore” is only an acceptable term to me (aside from the aforementioned social relevance) when two heterosexual human beings are having proper sex.

Mary responds: Well, that’s not what the word means. So, why do you feel good about altering the meaning of a word like that? Do you think that really has any effect on reality?

Ester was awesome.

Mary responds: Agreed.

Ann Coulter is one of the percentage of women Dr. Drew believes cannot experience an orgasm.

Mary responds: So?

Hi there! First of all, I simply must say, you HAVE to check out Stephen Colbert. If I may proffer a guestimate as to your level of exposure to our culture (and I’ll go ahead and do that), you probably haven’t yet discovered this conservative icon (Papa Bear says the jury’s out on him).

Mary responds: For example. Why the assumption I’d never heard of Stephen Colbert? Of course I have. Have you examined why you need to believe I have little “exposure to culture”? Try not to be startled by this but not everyone believes what you do. Some people even have radically different views. And not always because they’ve not been exposed to your culture.
Yes, I know. Shocking. But true.

I always enjoy reading posts by people such as yourself. I must say, I read your entire article before making up my mind that you were actually serious and not doing a Stephen act yourself. That being said, when you preface it with such a long-winded, hyperbolic bit of grandstanding as that, the punch-line sort of delivers that itself.

Mary responds: Good. Thanks. long-winded, hyperbolic grandstanding was pretty much what I was shooting for. Glad you found it entertaining.

There are probably more than a billion people on this planet that call themselves Christians, and you do not represent all of them, nor do you know what they’re thinking.

Mary responds: So? Who said I did? Are you assuming I believed that I did? Good grief, why?

X-men came out of the late 60’s and was always intended as metaphor for the struggle of ALL groups fighting for civil rights, acceptance, etc. I’m sure the original Stan Lee comics were supposed to more directly correlate to the struggle of minorities in this country, but the issues of women, the disabled and others was also explained at length. Also, (director) Bryan Singer is gay. He came out of the closet around the same time as Chuck Palaunick, the author of Fight Club, from which you nabbed your snarky little “Jack’s complete lack of surprise” line. I’m tellin’ ya, I read that and thought surely this is satire.

Mary responds: Sure, there’s some satire there. I enjoy chuckling at myself as much as anyone. And yes, I understand the metaphors in the X-men series. It’s hardly subtle. Again, are you assuming I don’t understand this or do you believe it makes you look insightful to point it out?

I read a very insightful and funny article once, entitled “A who’s who in Hell.” It was about all of the Jews, atheists agnostics and other nonbelievers who are, undoubtedly to you, burning in Hell right now. It was a long list of people without whom we wouldn’t live in the same world. Something to think about when we march those naughty little pillow biters to the town square to chop off their heads.

Mary responds: I’m sure that means a lot to you. But, as you’re clearly unwilling or unable examine this from anyone else’s point of view (mine being the obvious one here) you don’t see that…I just don’t care much. I’m simply not all that impressed by these people’s lives or their contributions to the world. As a Christian I realize the grand influence on the world by these individuals doesn’t really amount to much. And from God’s perspective it’s really less than nothing. He’s really not impressed. So I see no reason that I should be.
How many souls did these people save from hell? None? Not even their own? Then I don’t really care what grand accomplishments are attributed to them or what effect their lives have had on the world. The world is still corrupt, people are still wicked and they haven’t even managed to secure their own eternal souls (despite the fact that it takes exactly zero time or effort to accomplish). From the big picture point of view…it’s not at all impressive. Which is why these folks presumably went right to hell and God didn’t have to ponder it much before laying down that judgment.

Of course, you think that gay people are all strange little perverts who hang out in dungeons and wear masks like the gimp in Pulp Fiction.

Mary responds: I do? How did you come to that conclusion?

That’s why you were so in favor of proposition 8:

Mary responds: I was? Are you sure? How so?

if we can keep them from entering into union as we do, we can still think of them as weirdos who spread about disease and have thirty new sex partners a week.

Mary responds: That’s what I think? Really?

As for whores, Hell, whores are people too.

Mary responds: What’s that got to do with anything? What rights or protections do you think being “people” imparts to you? I’d guess you assumed if I see them as “people” I’ll hesitate to judge them. Not at all. Quite the opposite. I don’t generally assign moral responsibilities to non-people.

And quite a few of them are out there right now, this very morning, having more fun than perhaps you or I ever will.

Mary responds: So? Because they’re having fun…that makes it acceptable? Weird way of looking at things. Not very healthy, really.

But what makes one a whore?

Mary responds: You’re seriously having trouble with that one? Look it up.

I’ve felt for some time that it delivers a far greater sting to refer to someone as a whore in the social sense than in the sexual. For instance, Robert DeNiro, Kate Winslet, Wes Anderson and others making commercials for American Express, one of the greatest economic tyrants in history, well, Damn! Sunny Lane ain’t got (crap) on these people. Friggin’ Charles Barkley trying to sell me a car.

Mary responds: Well, that’s dumb. Seriously. I’ll go out on a limb here and say no one agrees with you on that one. In fact, I don’t really believe even you believe it would hurt worse to be called a “social” whore rather than a “sexual” whore.

Just so we’re clear, Jean and Logan are SUPPOSED to have feelings for each other, and while they’re not SUPPOSED to end up together, they are SUPPOSED to make mistakes. This makes their story compelling, because it’s a struggle that’s very real. If you like your characters all pristine and white-washed, I suggest you ditch Marvel for DC (Batman aside, of course. But I already know you think Rachel Dawes is a whore). Personally, I don’t think there’s anything more compelling in literature than a man and a woman who want each other, perhaps are meant to be together, but cannot.

Mary responds: I don’t think you read my article quite as attentively as you pretend you did.

Also, Brett Ratner’s one of what BILL HICKS would call Satan’s little helpers, a talentless hack who makes family-friendly pg-13-rs you can bring your kids to, as long as you check your brain at the door. As the director, we have to hold HIM responsible for the crass and unrealistic timing of Wolvie and Jean’s little tryst. Bryan Singer may have jumped the shark, but I don’t think he would’ve ok’d these two hooking up in the middle of Wolverine interrogating Jean about one of his missing teammates.

Mary responds: The article was about how adultery and such are presented in the media, Jean and Wolvie being just one example. Try to keep up.

As to capital punishment for gettin’ freaky, cheating on your husband (who in many instances may be a drunk/tweeker/wife beater) and other such offenses, nice grandstanding, but I think this may be the one thing in your post you don’t actually believe. See, I came to this conclusion because you’re obviously smart enough to compose a post that’s this freakin’ long yet never ceases to be compelling. All of your arguments are well thought out. A logical person such as yourself couldn’t possibly actually think we should just go around killing people for cheating or doing the naughty with a same-sex partner. Why, then, are you lying? Is it because you’re writing emotion and not thought? Which serves which, and which is privileged? That’s right, let’s get deconstuctive, mofo.

Mary responds: Well, you’re wrong. I think it’s because you refuse to accept that anyone above the level of intellectual mongoloid could ever honestly believe differently than you. And I think that is because you’ve been told what to think. You have little or no familiarity with examining an issue thoughtfully, objectively and coming to you own conclusion.

But you don’t have to worry about all that. As a person who lives her entire life in submission to her husband, you don’t have to concern yourself with your own opinion, because you’re not allowed to have one! Which, in a more social since, makes. . .you. . .a. . .

Mary responds: Hm. I think I may be onto something here. I admit, I kinda feel sorry for you. I really hope you learn to think for yourself.